105 points by pseudolus 4 days ago | 31 comments
snowwrestler 3 hours ago
It illustrates how one monetizes a PhD in a subject overtly noncommercial like archaeology. Plenty of people have sailed in these waters, maybe even played at being Vikings. But with a doctorate in the field, one is able to make the case that doing so will be Real Science because you have developed expertise in that knowledge domain, and research skills to fit whatever you find into the broader scientific context.
I’m not being dismissive, by the way, it’s a fantastic idea to explore for new archaeological finds. And it is absolutely true that academics need to have as much hustle as entrepreneurs to find funding.
eesmith 2 hours ago
The article mentions how some archeologists learn flintknapping, which helps them understand their finds better.
Do you think they are playing Stone Age people?
For what it's worth, https://www.ht.lu.se/en/the-faculties/staff-training/interna... says funding came from Erasmus+ traineeship, several other grants, "and my own earnings", and he started while a grad student. (That page is from 2023.)
So no, he did not "monetize" his PhD as he didn't have one while doing this fieldwork, and he paid for part of it himself.
Also, my high school grades got me a college scholarship. I don't interpret that as me monetizing my high school degree, but then, I don't view everything through a hustle lens.
His has "a general interest in ancient seafaring and experimental archaeology" with a focus on "reconstructing the sailing routes used by sailors from the Viking Age in Western Scandinavia". He "spent 11 months learning about traditional sailing and boatbuilding techniques at Fosen Folkehøgskole", "conducted a series of sailing trials and trial voyages onboard traditional clinker-built, square-rigged boats", and "spent about 500 hours sailing or rowing, often for several days at a time, enduring every kind of weather imaginable, in an attempt to test the performance of these boats under the widest possible range of conditions."
How do you get from that hard work to "playing Viking", without being dismissive?
djtango 3 minutes ago
They struck out into the ocean without a map of the world, let alone GPS and satellite phones. They didn't even have life jackets.
Without downplaying this researcher's earnest efforts, nothing we do today could come close to truly recreating what it was like back then for people to live and breathe the sea like your life depends on it and to reacquire whatever deep nuanced tacit wisdom they accumulated about how their ships handled in the waves.
IAmBroom 1 hour ago
"Playing" is only dismissive if you view the incredible, fast learning children achieve (compared to adults) as "mere child's play".
By "playing" at reenactment, we test out theories on how things worked, how people did things, and why they did them.
My favorite example is a Dutch hat. Every instance two friends found in artwork had a spoon slipped into two cuts in the raised brim. They thought that looked stupid, and made one without the spoon (they merely pinned the brim up). The hat wouldn't stay in place, so they decided it needed a weight to stabilize the raised side of the brim... like a spoon.
eesmith 40 minutes ago
What does "play Viking" mean to you, in the context of what this researcher is doing?
Don't overlook that snowwrestler coupled playing Viking to monetizing one's PhD.
Do you do historical reenactment in order to monetize your play?
If I learn to operate a 1907 Avery steam tractor, would you say I am playing farmer?
bigyabai 29 minutes ago
You don't have to take it personally - roleplay can be an effective tool. If you're training to operate a tractor on a farm, then you are consciously "playing farmer" with the intent of driving positive results.
gwervc 2 hours ago
eesmith 2 hours ago
But having fun and playing as part of work is doesn't mean I was "playing programmer." Even had I been an unpaid trust-fund baby.
What does "play Viking" mean to you, and how do we know that's what this researcher is doing?
Would you also say that he "plays sailor", given that he's an actual sailor?
Should we say the people building the 13th- century style castle at Guédelon are playing serfdom?
Those trying to rediscover ancient building techniques are playing Egyptians, Romans, Eastern Islanders, Incans, etc.?
Was Thor Heyerdahl was "playing a 'Tiki person'" in his famous raft voyage, when that culture doesn't exist, or was he trying to demonstrate that the raft hypothesis for human migration could not simply be rejected as impossible?
Henchman21 1 hour ago
pimlottc 2 hours ago
eesmith 2 hours ago
Is it a sustainable career? He only recently got his PhD.
As a kid I dreamed about being a programmer (among many other things), and I am one.
If I bought an old PDP 11/70 to get hands-on experience on using early Unix systems work, would that mean I'm playing a Bell Labs researcher?
IAmBroom 1 hour ago
If that word bothers you, substitute "recreating" or "testing".
medstrom 9 hours ago
> "We kept going out thinking, 'Oh, this is maybe the limit of what this boat can tolerate,' and then it would be fine, and we'd be, 'Okay, let's go a little bit in slightly bigger waves with slightly stronger wind,'" Jarrett continued. "So I think our comfort zones definitely visibly expanded during that period. And I had the chance to work with the same crews over three years. By the end of those three years, we were doing stuff that we would never have been able to do at the beginning."
Sounds like they had fun.
nsavage 9 hours ago
mlhpdx 1 hour ago
Indeed. Read this as I am heading out to sail my Skerry.
kzrdude 1 hour ago
Liquix 11 hours ago
bored and shored? board boats of boards o'er fjords. might strike a chord, see a fnord, expand your gourd
j_bum 3 hours ago
divbzero 11 hours ago
BostonFern 4 hours ago
bombcar 3 hours ago
My proudest moment (perhaps) was changing a tire without a jack a hundred miles from anywhere. I couldn’t raise the car, but I could lower the ground!
eesmith 5 hours ago
Of course, Heyerdahl's diffusion model was completely wrong, but that's a different topic.
gdubya 2 hours ago
Henchman21 1 hour ago
vintermann 5 hours ago
vidarh 5 hours ago
> "The Viking Age ends in the 11th century, and we're talking about boats from 800 years later," he said. "But the construction techniques and the way they are rigged and their general performance characteristics are similar enough. Because this is a project about voyages and not a project about boat building, it seemed like a defensible analogy."
His guess - whether right or not - is that this ship-structure is similar enough that it serves as a possible way to identify possible Viking era landing places.
deltarholamda 2 hours ago
To my mind, the greater change would have been to sea levels from the 11th century to now, which would alter landing spots more than the boat design.
zxexz 10 hours ago
I found this statement a bit alarming, as flint flakes being quite effective in butchering is quite well known — anyone who has practiced or studied “primitive living” ( that term doesn’t feel right…) would know.
However, that was not an explicit conclusion in the referenced paper, just by arstechnica. Not even a gripe, though, very interesting article!
ethan_smith 8 hours ago
potato3732842 6 hours ago
cratermoon 2 hours ago
There's plenty of research on things that "everyone knows" which turn out to be not true, so validating these ideas is still worthwhile science.