138 points by anigbrowl 17 hours ago | 90 comments
JCattheATM 17 hours ago
Fantastic.
I'll be interested to browse this sensitive data at some point when it inevitably becomes public in the next few years as a result of this kakistocracy.
ofjcihen 16 hours ago
All jokes aside I’m confused why some people are responding to valid criticisms of this team by saying that we only care because they’re young.
thinkingtoilet 14 hours ago
cedws 12 hours ago
crawsome 2 hours ago
ChrisMarshallNY 13 hours ago
I abused that access, and almost got fired.
Taught me a big lesson.
whycome 11 hours ago
latency-guy2 13 hours ago
Don't give me the bullshit about "this situation". Go to your nearest hospital and notices a sea of young nurses handling you and your family's medical data on a clipboard, paper, and a very poorly secured 20 year old workstation.
You are inconsistent, and you will continue to be inconsistent. In fact, your bank account info is known by the teller who has similar qualifications, your purchases and address is known by the customer service representative hired straight out of high school or in a call center in Egypt, and so much more.
This talking point is entirely a political cudgel that only makes sense to the kind of folk that do not think past their favorite politician's tweets. On that fact, wanna know who's been managing your letters/calls that you've been sending your politician? These ones know your phone number, and any modern filter will be looking for your address.
eviks 9 hours ago
If you ignore the core difference - scale - you won't be able to see the difference. Young nurse won't be able to leak all data on all people even if those local papers and workstation are left on the sidewalk for anyone to see
MisterKent 13 hours ago
JCattheATM 16 hours ago
Not only were the kids, and they were kids, they were also convicted criminals.
bloomingeek 13 hours ago
All the collected info will soon either be used against us or sold to the highest bidder. (No, that's not paranoia, that's how the current administration acts.)
ofjcihen 11 hours ago
Alupis 16 hours ago
It's amusing to me how so many people want to believe technical workers within the government are apparently all crusty, old, 50-something's instead of young "kids" in their twenties and thirties.
NSA, every branch of the military, and more are bursting at the seams with twenty-somethings that have access to some of the most sensitive information on the planet... yet nobody bats an eye.
Then we can consider the technical staff at places such as Experian, Capital One, and more... they're all fairly young too.
This has turned into quite the political narrative... "twenty-somethings have access to your data - be afraid, very afraid!"
viraptor 16 hours ago
But even concentrating on the age part - people in their 20s are working NSA and others. They're extremely unlikely to have access to the most sensitive information unsupervised since they're not senior enough. And definitely don't have a Yolo level decision making responsibilities. The restrictions, reporting, clearances and rules following in some of those places are unlike anything Doge ever did.
Alupis 16 hours ago
viraptor 16 hours ago
Not sure what you meant by that. Even if you get the clearance of some level, it doesn't mean you get immediate access to everything you want. There are still limits on what work you're actually given.
> Neither do the people we're talking about.
In theory they don't. But then you get the recent story about the terrible AI document review that resulted in real actions. There's so little control that by stupid actions they ended up effectively making decisions. They literally got banned from working on some information without a supervisor because they were so reckless.
Alupis 16 hours ago
Right, and that's the case here too. They are receiving access to systems and data relevant to the tasks they have been assigned to do. There are consequences if any individual acts maliciously or abusing the access and data they have been granted - just like any other government department/agency/employee.
There's so much fearmongering going on regarding this story it's seriously amusing. Just a few years ago Equifax leaked every adult's financial information, including social security numbers and more - and yet the mere possibility of a potential leak (of the exact same information, by the way) is being treated like armageddon.
It's politics ramped up to the maximum level...
viraptor 16 hours ago
No, they're forcefully entering buildings, adding unapproved infrastructure with no oversight and get rubberstamped access to everything, with people in the way being threatened firing.
> There are consequences if any individual acts maliciously or abusing the access
No, there have been no consequences. The only ones we've seen were: 1. they have to stop, 2. they can continue but with supervision of someone. There's been access abuse already and it will not be prosecuted.
> yet the mere possibility of a potential leak
There were effectively leaks already. Where Doge was told no they can't access some data they already looked through, those were leaks.
I'm not sure why you bring up Equifax - yes, they're both bad ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯
Supermancho 14 hours ago
That's not what the court was ruling on. Nor is there any evidence that the subject were specifically responsible for these crimes.
>> There are consequences if any individual acts maliciously or abusing the access
> No, there have been no consequences.
That's how consequences work. First the violation, then the consequence. When is based on a number of factors. IN THIS CASE, we're talking about potential acts and consequences. Ofc they have not yet been assigned.
This is not a discussion when the responses are in the form of hypotheticals being assigned to the subjects out of frustration (I'm frustrated by the feckless courts too). None of us are directly involved. Assume good faith. Be kind.
monktastic1 15 hours ago
Looks like the propaganda worked. DOGE is not a "government department" and there is very little visibility into how it's run.
jaimsam 14 hours ago
jauntywundrkind 15 hours ago
These folks have seemingly unmitigated access to systems, in completely unhinged wild ways.
They also are executioners for the civil service. The recent reports on how NSF grants were all ran by a disinterested non communicative DOGE child seem to be all to common, just one of what this legion of state-ociding invaders are up to. https://www.techdirt.com/2025/06/02/a-23-year-old-crypto-bro...
Any attempt to dismiss the extreme panic & freak out that should be happening here is wild.
carlosdelgardo 12 hours ago
JCattheATM 16 hours ago
It is under a kakistocracy.
dinkumthinkum 14 hours ago
martin-t 14 hours ago
viraptor 9 hours ago
Yeah... No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_against_the_V...
"Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" was about teens being sent out as well.
yencabulator 16 hours ago
Alupis 16 hours ago
The Espionage Act of 1917, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and Economic Espionage Act, among others, beg to differ.
throw0101c 16 hours ago
Depends on who your friends in government are.
> The Espionage Act of 1917, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and Economic Espionage Act, among others, beg to differ.
Assaulting police officers and trying to overthrow the government is also illegal. People have been convicted of it. And yet if you know the right people you won't suffer any consequences:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_Sta...
gtirloni 16 hours ago
dinkumthinkum 14 hours ago
drivingmenuts 16 hours ago
We are fucked without even the benefit of lube.
Alupis 16 hours ago
JCattheATM 16 hours ago
The word I used was 'teenage'.
stefan_ 16 hours ago
No, it was just the age apparently.
Alupis 16 hours ago
stefan_ 16 hours ago
ofjcihen 16 hours ago
JCattheATM 15 hours ago
Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a thing. It's why Q-Anon was able to grow.
Alupis 16 hours ago
jwlake 13 hours ago
jackmottatx 15 hours ago
glimshe 16 hours ago
I've worked with payment processing and some of the guys I saw makes 'big balls' look like an experienced and reliable custodian. Not to mention the high turnover, bargain priced overseas software outsourcing sweatshops.
JCattheATM 16 hours ago
It's not an ad-hom, it's a metric to gauge the maturity of the teenager granted such high level access and responsibility.
decremental 15 hours ago
kevin_thibedeau 14 hours ago
ofjcihen 16 hours ago
wat10000 14 hours ago
Here, the topic is a person. It's not an ad-hominem to describe facts about a person when your argument is explicitly about that person.
anonymousiam 11 hours ago
toomanyrichies 11 hours ago
anonymousiam 11 hours ago
crawsome 2 hours ago
mensetmanusman 11 hours ago
gnarbarian 13 hours ago
dinkumthinkum 14 hours ago
JCattheATM 14 hours ago
The name itself is not a primary issue, just a gauge of maturity, the bigger issue should probably be the criminal convictions.
mensetmanusman 11 hours ago
BLKNSLVR 14 hours ago
"Move fast and break things" is fine for startups risking their own life savings or venture capital. It's not ok for governments that are meant to be looking after the health and welfare of their population.
The Clinton / Gore approach seemed to work. Unfortunately it wasn't glamorously headline-making, it was just hard work, so it hasn't been replicated since.
"Understanding this culture" is understanding it needs serious adult supervision to work on things that support society itself.
verandaguy 14 hours ago
Craighead 13 hours ago
cryptonector 11 hours ago
JKCalhoun 17 hours ago
Wild. I remember when it was presumed that Conservative meant protector of individual freedoms, rights.
BLKNSLVR 14 hours ago
Except California, they're fucking wrong! ;)
eviks 9 hours ago
kibwen 17 hours ago
Republicans, not conservatives, might rightfully have been the party of protecting individual rights and freedoms. Back in the 1850s.
krapp 17 hours ago
Presumed by whom? I've always understood Conservatism to be explicitly Christian in its ideology, opposed to womens' rights, "non-traditional" sexual orientation and gender identity, abortion, multiculturalism, pornography, modern art, rock music, drug use and a litany of other things. The freedom to think and act outside of the box of "traditional American values and culture" has rather more often been championed by progressives and leftists.
Conservatives do support the individual freedom to own a gun, though. For individuals of a certain phenotype.
JCattheATM 17 hours ago
Which is funny, right? Their whole justification was to fight back if the government becomes authoritarian, when it turns out they love an authoritarian government that enforces their values.
tombert 13 hours ago
lapcat 14 hours ago
Hunting is very much a cultural issue, passed down the generations by family tradition, so you'd be hard pressed to change minds on that.
watwut 7 hours ago
lapcat 7 hours ago
watwut 4 hours ago
lapcat 1 hour ago
hellotomyrars 16 hours ago
bpodgursky 17 hours ago
It's fine if you want to call it a bad idea... but stopping this access really doesn't give me the freedom to do anything.
FireBeyond 15 hours ago
At least that's what the administration says when they want to argue that it's not subject to FOIA.
cryptonector 11 hours ago
watwut 7 hours ago
oysterville 16 hours ago
vaxman 8 hours ago
As for DOGE, Trump has a couple options. He can shut it down and blame Musk, or he can let it keep running against the advice of his team. After DOGE is gone, they will be able to get a warrant and start looking for copies of the data. The first place to look is X.
readthenotes1 17 hours ago
smitty1e 15 hours ago
The SSA was never anything other than a Tenth Amendment violation to begin with, as shown by FDR's court packing threat[1], so a bit of external review seems in order.
Some sort of sane transition plan off of these socialized programs would be of great interest to a super-majority of voters, one expects.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_B...
intermerda 13 hours ago
If my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle.
> The SSA was never anything other than a Tenth Amendment violation to begin with, as shown by FDR's court packing threat[1], so a bit of external review seems in order.
I know about the plan. But how did you make the jump from that to SSA being unconstitutional?
> Some sort of sane transition plan off of these socialized programs would be of great interest to a super-majority of voters, one expects.
A plan to eliminate program that keeps 22 million Americans out of poverty most of whom are seniors is of great interest to a super-majority of voters?
Kids, this is what happens when you read far right conspiracy theory websites for news.
smitty1e 13 hours ago
The 10A was intended to preclude scope creep. In defense of FDR, the voters let the Progressives run plays.
So here we sit, decades later, waiting for a debt bomb to 'splode.
const_cast 1 hour ago
Social Security has literally never missed a payment. It's arguably the most successful government program ever.
The reality is that all you armchair "ahhh deficit!!1" people have no answers to anything. We don't want granny dying in the street. I don't want that, you don't want that. Okay, so we need some social... security. It's not rocket science.
If you're not proposing real alternatives that actually at least have a chance of working, then you're just arguing in bad faith and nobody cares about you. And, to jump the gun here, no - private choice insurance IS NOT a replacement. That is explicitly not security and we run right back into "granny dying in street" problem.
thrance 9 hours ago
Tell me, how will the "Big Beautiful Bill", that adds multiple trillions to the debt while gutting essential social programs, will fix your "debt bomb"?
To me, it appears like straight up stealing, putting all the country's wealth in tax cuts to the rich and government contracts to military contractors. All the while placing the country on a sure path to financial and social ruin.
Dracophoenix 8 hours ago
Prohibition, state-run eugenics programs, the end of freedom of contract, Wickard v. Fillburn, the Imperial Presidency, internationalist interventionism, etc. were all born from the original Progressivism movement.
thrance 2 hours ago
eviks 8 hours ago
smitty1e 6 hours ago
More specifically, a stable system requires feedback loops.
Ours, like a vehicle without brakes, is running open-loop.
I guess that if all one cares about is blame management, then we can all just blame ${FIGURE} when the whole thing "unexpextedly" craters, rather than putting on the Big People Pants and reforming matters.
eviks 6 hours ago
smitty1e 12 minutes ago
My interpretation of your reply is that nothing short of catastrophic societal collapse will constitute an effective argument?
BLKNSLVR 14 hours ago
There was the proven false claim that 40% of phone calls to SSA were fraudulent. I think it was DOGE fraud checking systems that proved that claim false, quite soon after Musk proclaimed it.
https://www.nextgov.com/digital-government/2025/05/doge-went...
Personally, it feels like the tiny nibbles that DOGE has managed to save from the massive banquet of spending that US government does is proof that there really isn't a lot of waste based on corruption. The spending is systemic and has built up over decades of various policy changes throughout many administrations of both colours.
Off topic, it feels as if this administration has also very effectively disproved any theory about the presence of a deep state controlling things from the background. Interestingly, Trump appears to be trying to show that it's possible, except for the fact that he's putting ridiculously unqualified and incompetent boobs into positions of influence. It'd be laughable except for the fact that this is not a TV show, this is real life.
smitty1e 13 hours ago
> The spending is systemic and has built up over decades of various policy changes throughout many administrations of both colours.
Strong concur. Time for reform.
watwut 7 hours ago
It is funny ... employment by goverment was actually going down for years. America has low taxes so it could pay its debt, but it is choosing to lower them for richests and put more debt in.
smitty1e 6 hours ago
For whom, pray tell? Look at your combined burden, top to bottom, at all levels.
BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-the-us-a-low-taxing-coun...
The problem is what "tax" means to US citizens as opposed to what taxes actually are. It's a communication / understanding issue.
smitty1e 9 minutes ago