66 points by libraryofbabel 23 hours ago | 52 comments
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DaSHacka 15 hours ago
The government could just pull a classic "we're doing this because terrorism" with the media emphasizing how great it is, and the masses would clap all the same.
Analemma_ 14 hours ago
DaSHacka 10 hours ago
2020 and 2023 are "last century"?
cma 14 hours ago
morkalork 15 hours ago
indy 17 hours ago
piva00 9 hours ago
When that happened in Iran 1953 the CIA fostered a coup; Cuba is under embargo since the 60s triggered by Fidel nationalising sugar mills; Chile's coup in the 70s with CIA support was triggered by nationalisation of the copper mines; invasion of Panama in the 80s was from tensions with Noriega wanting to take over the canal's assets.
Venezuela's sanctions were because Chávez nationalised oil under PDVSA. The rift with Bolivia's Evo Morales was from gas nationalisation.
So if the USA just takes over someone's private company it will be absurdly hypocritical, and shatter even more the USA's international reputation, the added risk to businesses in the USA after this precedent opens will probably also be of concern.
nickthegreek 15 hours ago
dev1ycan 17 hours ago
lostlogin 14 hours ago
I’m not sure of this.
KerrAvon 14 hours ago
georgemcbay 16 hours ago
There's not really any need to charge him with anything to do that when he is making active threats to weaken national security, though its possible they might have separately gone after him.
And if the government did take that action they would have had incredibly high popular support for doing so among virtually everyone on both sides.
JumpCrisscross 16 hours ago
What? Where? If you mean expropriation, no, that has never been popular here, it’s part of why we have a massive economy.
hn_throwaway_99 16 hours ago
And this isn't just a random expropriation. While I may have to cry myself to sleep at the thought of our once great nation having devolved into a bitchy slap fest by a couple of narcissistic man babies, the fact is that SpaceX probably wouldn't exist today without the US government, so with Musk having a temper tantrum and saying "I'm taking my toys and going home", the US government would have at least somewhat valid national security reasons to take over SpaceX.
Couple that with the fact that Musk is hated, extremely, by many folks out both sides of the political aisle, means that the rule of law concerns about a SpaceX expropriation would largely be ignored.
sircastor 14 hours ago
Your rationalization of it is not unreasonable, but the market would panic in a bad way if the government showed it was willing to take extremes.
georgemcbay 13 hours ago
I don't agree with this.
Like if it were merely a "tiff" between the administration and a CEO, then yes that would be destabilizing, but there is important context here that you are entirely glossing over.
Elon threatened to take his ball and go home in a literally life threatening (to astronauts) way after making SpaceX an essential aspect of the space program. If he didn't walk back that threat I think it would have been very easy for large companies to see the outcome as entirely Elon's fault and maybe just double-check in on their own CEOs to make sure they make sane decisions.
I'm personally convinced Elon realizing the likelihood of this outcome (probably because someone else reminded him of it) is exactly why he started walking the threat back.
And as a side effect of this mess, Elon also unintentionally gave everyone a pretty good reason to reconsider if its a great idea to allow any privatized entity to become "too big to fail" (or, more exactly, too big to easily replace if their CEO goes crazy) within any important government function.
georgemcbay 16 hours ago
Right here where I live, in the United States.
I never suggested expropriation in general would be widely supported, but when you have the richest man in the world (who has spent the last year making enemies of virtually everyone other than a small cadre of twitter shitposters) manically making decisions while reportedly on a downward spiral drug bender and he suggests taking action that would lead to endangering the lives of astronauts and an overall weakening of America's national security, yeah the government would have had massive popular support for seizing SpaceX.
If you don't think so I think you might be living in a libertarian bubble.
JumpCrisscross 16 hours ago
Criminal investigation into lying on clearance forms about drug use effectively sidelines him SpaceX’s chain of command without stealing his or anyone else’s shareholdings.
That said, it would be an authoritarian shot across the bow for Silicon Valley from this White House.
watwut 20 hours ago
If he looses them, it will be as a revenge from Trump rather then voluntary something.
mft_ 19 hours ago
* The fact that SpaceX is currently the only US company with an available and reliable capacity to fly astronauts to/from the ISS is the main reason for many of the contracts, and they had this before and irrespective of Musk's political engagement.
* For other launch activities unrelated to the ISS, SpaceX offers the most cost-effective service, so again it's not unreasonable that they would win business irrespective.
* Most of SpaceX's active contracts with NASA predate Trump's second term.
tayo42 14 hours ago
mft_ 2 hours ago
a) NASA didn’t/doesn’t have the capacity
b) The Russians did have the capacity but it was expensive and also painful to American egos to utilise this repeatedly, not to mention a risk due to geopolitical uncertainty.
c) NASA therefore funded Boeing and SpaceX to develop ‘home grown’ capability. (Note: SpaceX received less than Boeing for this development.)
d) Boeing’s space division lost up a big lead (over SpaceX) through poor development and execution, echoes of which continue to this day with the issues seen with Starliner leading to the two astronauts being effectively ‘stranded’ for a period of
e) SpaceX did a good job of developing Dragon and getting Falcon 9 rated for human flight. Since then, their reliability, low cost, and high launch cadence, coupled with Boeing’s missteps, has led to multiple contracts and successful launches.
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It’s also worth mentioning that SoaceX was started when Musk wasn’t so crazy (remember, once upon a time, he was the woke darling of the progressive center-left) and also that a lot of its success and stability may be thanks to its COO, Gwynne Shotwell. Calling it Musk’s “toy company” ignores the huge advances it has made, thanks to the fantastic people that work there, and also (gulp) Musk himself.
dboreham 13 hours ago
KerrAvon 14 hours ago
dkjaudyeqooe 18 hours ago
So although the GP comment is a bit silly it's still in the ballpark.
RIMR 18 hours ago
bpodgursky 17 hours ago
SpaceX does a LOT of commercial launch. And Starlink is growing fast.
JumpCrisscross 16 hours ago
In a strange way, the middle path is targeting Elon personally. Not his companies.
smegger001 15 hours ago
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bpodgursky 15 hours ago
The DoD knows if SpaceX can't launch, they straight up will never get their assets into orbit. The ULA backlog is like a decade.
KerrAvon 14 hours ago