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Ask HN: Cheapest way to host a back end

20 points by Jean-Philipe 2 months ago | 40 comments

I'm about to help transitioning a mobile app to a charity and need the API to be hosted as cheaply as possible. I don't expect it to scale super big, but there has to be some level of scalability. Initial effort can be bigger, what's important are the running costs. Ideally it should be low maintenance, not a lot of development is going to happen on the code base. It's nodejs with postgres.

Right now we're on AWS which is crazy expensive, and I'm thinking about going to vercel but can't really estimate how much it will be with equal performance.

TheKelsbee 2 months ago

Hi! AWS Developer Advocate here. Depending on the nonprofit/charity status it's possible they could qualify for free or reduced price hosting. There are a few different programs that you could qualify for.

There is also the Techsoup organization, which helps nonprofits and charities with technology needs: https://page.techsoup.org/amazon-web-services-for-nonprofits

I would highly recommend looking through there for not just AWS specific tools & services, but a wide variety of solutions that might help this charity.

Please feel free to reach out directly to me for additional assistance. Hope this helps!

Jean-Philipe 2 months ago

Thanks, I had no idea, I'll check it out! We're still in the process of completing the paperwork, so it'll take a while until we have an official status.

toast0 2 months ago

You can easily get a VPS for around $5/month from quality vendors. You can probably find a lot of offers around $1/month for a VPS on lowendbox, lowendtalk, and webhostingtalk.

If you want more oomph than that, you can find dedicated server offers at those three places, starting around maybe $30/month. Typically pretty old systems, but I enjoy having a whole ancient box rather than one core in a vm on a modern box. My personal hosting needs are tiny though, so I could fit back into the VPS if money were an issue.

digianarchist 2 months ago

Like AWS Lightsail?

https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/pricing/

jasonthorsness 2 months ago

I’ve been using Lightsail (mostly because I use AWS for a ton of stuff at work) and it has been great. No complaints.

dakiol 2 months ago

Hijacking the thread: also looking for some super cheap VPS for running Go servers (don’t need more than 256-512 MB). I know i have digitalocean for ~$5/month, but i’m looking for something more like $1 or €2 per month.

mobilio 2 months ago

Huge list of providers in that price range

https://lowendbox.com/

lbhdc 2 months ago

I run a number of go servers with similar resource requirements on cloud run for free. I wanted them to be always on, so I set up an uptime check that keeps those instances alive around the clock without leaving the free tier.

quintes 2 months ago

What’s the stack?

Why is AWS expensive? What’s the most costly?

Why vercel? I’ve heard it gets costly at scale here on HN no other data points.

Does the charity have the ability to operate it? Budget? Skills? If not what the plan?

Jean-Philipe 2 months ago

The stack is nodejs and postgres - the most expensive part is the database actually. I could probably look into caching more of the expensive (mostly read-only) queries.

I'm one of the two developers who will help out with development and devops. There's some budget for that. So we have the skills.

quintes 2 months ago

Database on RDS? I guess caching queries could be useful. Aurora serverless?

What’s the user base and load? All internal NGO or public?

Public sector AWS peeps should maybe jump in and see if they can offer support have you checked with them?

babyent 2 months ago

Vercel is honestly meant for enterprise. The free/cheap tier is a cool toy. Vercel replaces the need to build out an expensive dedicated UI deployment/tooling team (like when your org has like 50 product teams working on a large enterprise saas).

Anyone else should just stick to vite react starter SPA and actually make money first. If they need SEO, they can use something simple too.

quintes 2 months ago

Yeah when ever you see enterprise pricing / call us you know you need some dollars

dtnewman 2 months ago

AWS lambda + API gateway. I use serverless to deploy to these.

If traffic is high, this could get pricy. For example, i have a site up getting about 20,000k visitors a day, hitting it many times each and it's probably costing me $400/month whereas a $50 server would probably do the trick (it's a temporary thing that i'm migrating away soon). But I have a bunch of smaller projects with a few visitors a day and the cost rounds to $0.

The nice thing is that it'll basically scale infinitely when you need it to.

JaggerJo 2 months ago

I really like fly.io, but you’d need to provide more information about the kind of backend and the expected load. Also what does it currently cost?

I host a few sites on fly for pennies, but they don’t see a lot of traffic.

DataOverload 2 months ago

Hey - get in touch with me at Zuplo. If this is for a charity, we might be able to swing you a really cheap deal.

rganesan 2 months ago

Have you looked at Amazon Lightsail? It's relatively cheap if you don't need a lot of scale, compared to other cheap alternative. Oracle free tier is another option.

sachinkrs 2 months ago

You can build your own backend server on https://console.hetzner.cloud/

ActorNightly 2 months ago

If the initial effort can be big, all you really need to do is to move your API/Backend to API Gateway and Lambda (with throttling applied), then for databases, just get a dedicated EC2 instance and host stuff manually, with periodic syncs to S3 for backups.

Most of AWS services exist because people are either too lazy or not knowledgeable enough on how to set up their own stuff on EC2.

yonatan8070 2 months ago

Everyone here is suggesting various cloud offerings, and that's probably the way to go.

However, cheap used mini PCs from the likes of HP can be had for very little or even free if you find an office that's replacing them with new ones. Plop on of those at home, and your recurring costs are like 20W of power

icedchai 2 months ago

Have you looked into optimizing your AWS costs? Where is most of it going? Compute, storage, bandwidth?

daemonologist 2 months ago

Cheapest is to fit within someone's free tier (e.g. Oracle), but I'm leery of that. Personally I use Hetzner's cheapest US instance which is 5 EUR/month with an IPv4 address.

yen223 2 months ago

Supabase + Cloudflare Workers, both have pretty generous free tiers

chistev 2 months ago

Pythonanywhere, Render.

theli0nheart 2 months ago

Surprised that no one has mentioned Google Cloud Run. I’ve started multiple services with it this year and it’s been awesome. Highly recommend.

johncole 2 months ago

So happy to see this mentioned. I love google cloud run. I had to switch to azure for a while, but wasn’t as easy to use as gcr

icedchai 2 months ago

I've also really enjoyed my experienced with Cloud Run. It makes it super simple to deploy and scale containers.

deployhq 2 months ago

DeployHQ+VPS (Hetzner, Vultr, DO, etc)

billconan 2 months ago

I'm paying $0.45 for my personal lambda/dynamodb based service. but my traffic is very low.

yeyeyeyeyeyeyee 2 months ago

Get some cloud servers at Hetzner, you'll get what you need for XX euros per month.

dith3r 2 months ago

Oracle cloud has free tier with 4 arm vcpus/24G ram/200GB SSD.

runjake 2 months ago

Some good questions to ask in this case:

- How long will this last?

- What's in it for Oracle?

Oracle is not known for its benevolence or free services. Quite the opposite.

lbhdc 2 months ago

> What's in it for Oracle?

Customer acquisition, like all companies with a free tier. It lets people experiment with their products and see if it meets their needs. Maybe those experiments grow up to be real products and continue running where they are. Maybe that user becomes an advocate for that product to their employer.

dith3r 2 months ago

Right now there is no date when this free offer will disappear. For 3 yr I m using it.

icedchai 2 months ago

Also keep in mind there's a lot more talent available to work with AWS, GCP, and Azure.

ecesena 2 months ago

Google app engine, you can run for free.

tumidpandora 2 months ago

Lightsail on AWS, fixed pricing

fefferkorn 2 months ago

depending on the performance you need (and ofc region).. for eu i can recommend: 1&1, (they have 1€ vps), hetzner, alphavps

revskill 2 months ago

Localhost.

W6zVktFA 2 months ago

Elestio