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Beer on Board in the Age of Sail (2017)

55 points by thunderbong 1 day ago | 68 comments

kayodelycaon 24 hours ago

I think it’s important to point out that almost everyone drank beer and it wasn’t because the water was bad. It was because they liked drinking beer.

Our modern culture doesn’t like the idea of people drinking beer all day so there has to be some scientific justification to make it acceptable to modern sensibilities.

The percentage of alcohol required to preserve beer for long periods is too high for sailors to be drinking a gallon of it per day.

larsga 20 hours ago

> The percentage of alcohol required to preserve beer for long periods is too high for sailors to be drinking a gallon of it per day.

Reading this thread I think the best thing would be if people were forbidden from comment on the history of beer in online forums. Nobody knows anything, yet everyone is shouting their misunderstandings from the rooftops.

The Danish fleet, to take just one example, was completely dependent on a supply of "skibsøl", to the extent that the king started his own brewery to ensure his fleet had a supply. Later kings started a stupid brewing monopoly system in Copenhagen to ensure no breweries went bankrupt, again with the same aim. "Skibsøl" was a big thing in Norway and Sweden, too. The Royal Navy used to serve it, too, before switching to grog.

Yes, weak beer will turn sour, but it takes a lot to make it harmful.

SECProto 12 hours ago

> Yes, weak beer will turn sour, but it takes a lot to make it harmful.

While I agree in general with what you've said, this line is wrong. Strong beer will turn sour too. Acetobacter is good up to 10-15%, it's how we get malt vinegar and wine vinegar. All it needs is ethanol, oxygen, and time.

larsga 10 hours ago

Sure. Hard to get all the details into a comment that's already too long.

In general, however, strong beer keeps much longer than weak beer. However, even if it does sour, that doesn't mean it's harmful to drink.

beloch 15 hours ago

Ever gotten a bad case of gastroenteritis from a restaurant that made you swear never to go back and even turned you off an entire style of cuisine for, at least, a little while?

A few brushes with bad water might have given folk a strong preference for beer, just to be on the safe side, even if most water was safe.

wqaatwt 11 hours ago

Yet same wouldn’t apply to stale beer that went bad after a few days or weeks?

larsga 10 hours ago

No, it wouldn't. It's very difficult to produce beer where harmful organisms can multiply. Post-fermentation it's an extremely difficult environment for most organisms.

poloniculmov 8 hours ago

Brewed beer can get yeast or bacterial infections, especially if you cannot refrigerate it and don't have the means to sanitize recipients.

larsga 8 hours ago

Yes, it can. But infections by harmful organisms is very difficult to achieve. The common spoilage organisms in beer are all harmless to humans. Here's a good overview http://mmbr.asm.org/content/77/2/157.long

Just the hops alone stop pretty much all gram-positive bacteria except Lactobacillus and a few other harmless ones.

asdfman123 10 hours ago

Often things that a lot of people do repeatedly for "pure enjoyment" actually has some hidden benefit.

Like for instance, drinking in general. People do it because it's fun, but it can play an important social bonding role.

tomwojcik 7 hours ago

Exactly. To my understanding any amount of alcohol is unhealthy, but societies have had festivals or other rituals since the beginning, and substances _like_ alcohol play an important role in those.

oofManBang 4 hours ago

Point of order, beer was stored in a higher alcohol percentage (which is where we get IPAs from) which does extend its shelf life significantly. The gallon was heavily watered down to serve.

Which is basically identical to lite beer we drink today. Hopefully with more flavor, but I don't actually know.

subpixel 23 hours ago

In the 17th and 18th centuries cider was far more prevalent on board - and massive amounts of it to boot.

Source: Cider Country (James Crowden)

larsga 20 hours ago

As a general statement about Europe or the UK that's completely impossible. There wasn't enough cider for it to be more common than beer. We also know beer was the most common (then later grog, at least for the navy).

This might be true for some specific region or subset of ships, though.

dddw 24 hours ago

No mention of sauerkraut ?

1 day ago