71 points by anigbrowl 1 day ago | 32 comments
Tade0 24 hours ago
That is only true when the string is plucked exactly at the middle - not a regular occurrence. Usually it's more of a sawtooth wave, just without the upper harmonics.
My experience with distortion in guitars is that a huge component here is how different it can sound depending on articulation. Some pieces for example require the player to not alternate their picking, but pluck only in one direction, as the difference is audible.
This is not always the case of course as some amplifiers like those made by Mesa Boogie get their signature tone by exploiting the limited gain-bandwidth product(GBP) of amplifiers, creating an even sound that at the high end of the gain setting is largely without dynamics.
In some cases(like the BOSS DS-1) the manufacturer killed the sound by introducing a technically better amplifier chip - the original had somewhat poor GBP and poor settling time, which in combination produced a nice lowpass filter with a resonance peak at the cutoff frequency, which in turn emphasized articulation.
It's all a surprisingly huge topic.
ericwood 21 hours ago
Designing dirt pedals for guitar is a very humbling exercise in that many seemingly innocuous decisions can have large impacts on the end result. Often times you're bucking what would normally be EE best-practices and exploiting the edges of behavior in components to coax out pleasing nonlinearities. Equal parts engineering and what can feel like sorcery (but usually has a reasonable explanation).
Tade0 13 hours ago
I'll never forget a friend showing me a Japanese made DS-1 from 1983, which had all those pleasant artifacts stemming from the circuits non-ideal performance. Newer ones sound really harsh in comparison.
The DS-1 is itself surprisingly complex. I'm particularly a fan of the little hidden RC circuit in the clipping stage(here spanning from R14 to C10):
https://www.electrosmash.com/boss-ds1-analysis#layout
As said in section 6.3, its effect is only significant below the diodes' forward voltage. I exchanged one diode in my unit with a yellow LED (a diode is a diode, all in all) and it was particularly audible. Initially I thought it's the LEDs junction capacitance, but that measures in tens of picofarads - not nearly enough to register.
ericwood 7 hours ago
One of my favorites in this genre are using CMOS inverters as inverting op amps with a very pleasing and smooth distortion sound.
mathieuh 18 hours ago
As Segovia said, the guitar is like a miniature orchestra https://youtu.be/DJrEl4Nsmsg?si=voLmARBDxGe8iDRo
itishappy 9 hours ago
> In simple terms, timbre is what makes a particular musical instrument or human voice have a different sound from another, even when they play or sing the same note.
> The physical characteristics of sound that determine the perception of timbre include frequency spectrum and envelope.
crmd 7 hours ago
I still remember the moment in my bedroom 30 years ago trying to play Master of Puppets when I accidentally discovered down-picking.
SoleilAbsolu 3 hours ago
crmd 2 hours ago
sesm 12 hours ago
kazinator 21 hours ago
Nobody hates ugly sounding distortion more than he or she who practices 5 hours a day with it.
Single note distortion, at its best, is a harmonically rich sound which shares something with bowed instruments and reed woodwinds.
Nasty sounding single distortion has not gained complete mainstream acceptance. Musicians who do that on purpose will remain niche, even today. From time to time, such nasty sounds make appearances in mainstream pop, but only as a kind of "cameo". The statement is, "we are inserting this ugly thing here specifically for its idiosyncratic effect, haha! But only a few seconds, we promise".
Distortion (other than perhaps mild distortion) has never been fully accepted in roles where the multiple voices of a complex harmony part would be distorted together.
Nowhere was that better seen than in jazz/rock fusion, which accepted ragingly distorted guitars for solo work, but not so much for the rest of the music: except, of course, in passages where the guitars provide the "sound of rock": distorted fourths and fifths and whatnot, or double stop bluesy cliches and whatnot.
The music best known for distortion and that couldn't exist without distortion (and a lot of it) is of course heavy metal, which is a big landscape of styles and sounds.
In metal, the harmonies from an individual guitar part tend to consist of only a few notes. The clean chord is transformed into something else, which perhaps cannot be described in music notation. Complexity comes from the distortion. Distortion includes the sum and difference products, which relate to the tonality and scale of the music in unsual ways. Those notes are not identified. If notation is used at all, the underlying clean notes are notated: e.g. C-F# tritone on the A and D strings, over open E bass. Heavy metal uses syncopated and alternating rhythms to separate bass notes from upper notes in three and four note chords. This is not only to create rhythmical excitement, but to better separate the notes.
The notes of a distorted chord are also easier to for the ear to identify if they are introduced separately as a lasciare suonare arpeggio; that's a thing in metal.
Harmonic textures are also created by combining distorted guitar parts. Using two lead guitars originated in rock, with groups like Wishbone Ash. Multitrack recording allows an unlimited number of parts to be layered.
tarnith 3 hours ago
If you ever want to hear a guitar sound as rich as a synth, listen to someone running full polyphonic outputs for each string into a distortion per string. You get the rich harmonic violin/synth like tones of every string but can play full chords without any of the intermodulation products!
I'm kind of surprised guitars have stayed monophonic for as long as they have, and I feel like the next advance might be a cultural shift of guitars to a true polyphonic output path. Would definitely open up some interesting DSP pedal opportunities as a bonus.
The future is distorted guitars that can play complex chords imo
progmetaldev 19 hours ago
I feel that Sunn O))) - named after the amplifiers, are a great example of slow rhythm music that relies upon heavy distortion and feedback to create the atmosphere and primary sound of their music. This is just a modern band, but the experimentation and techniques go back to psychedelic and acid rock from the 1960's, and mostly center around Black Sabbath as "the" band that really created the prototype for the sound.
Monolord, Bongzilla, Acid King, Bongripper, REZN, and SLEEP are some great modern examples that fit what you've described.
itishappy 9 hours ago
I'll fight this by agreeing with you. Saturation (a form of mild distortion) on the master is what I like to refer to as "the shit" because a nearly imperceptible amount really makes a track cohere. It takes a super light touch though, but I'd bet (without evidence) it's used on most tracks today.
kjkjadksj 6 hours ago
myself248 22 hours ago
I shared this theory with my then-little-in-both-senses sister, who asked "what, exactly, is distortion, in a musical sense?"
I trotted to my bedroom and retrieved Pink Floyd's Pulse. I popped disc 1 into the living-room CD player, cued up track 9 (Sorrow), and turned it up. We potched out onto the floor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO9Kp_Wn_2A
"Oh. Okay. Yeah, alright. I think I get it."
marc_abonce 21 hours ago
> This musical evolution is paralleled by the multipication of machines, which collaborate with man on every front. Not only in the roaring atmosphere of major cities, but in the country too, which until yesterday was totally silent, the machine today has created such a variety and rivalry of noises that pure sound, in its exiguity and monotony, no longer arouses any feeling.
> For many years Beethoven and Wagner shook our nerves and hearts. Now we are satiated and we find far more enjoyment in the combination of the noises of trams, backfiring motors, carriages and bawling crowds than in rehearsing, for example, the “Eroica” or the “Pastoral”.
Based on this idea it should be no surprise that, for example, heavy metal riffs were invented by a factory worker[2] or that the first techno music scene started in Detroit[3].
[1] Luigi Russolo. The Art of Noises: https://www.ubu.com/papers/russolo.html
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Iommi#Factory_accident
arp242 12 hours ago
itishappy 9 hours ago
I'm betting a computer in this digital age, hence the rise of electronic music.
drops 23 hours ago
bee_rider 22 hours ago
Nostalgia is cheap of course, but some times cheap things make us happy and that’s fine.
JeffeFawkes 21 hours ago
longwave 14 hours ago
soco 12 hours ago
itishappy 9 hours ago
His door genre deserves recognition too.
defrost 21 hours ago
buildsjets 20 hours ago
makz 23 hours ago
BoingBoomTschak 12 hours ago
lol.