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Ask HN: How do I build a new social network?

15 points by babuloseo 3 days ago | 35 comments

I am interested in building a new social network but I want it to be limited to North America only. I dont like what platforms like Reddit has become nowadays (too much moderation and there is too many power mods fighting for control) and rampant bot abuse to grow communities. As someone that has been on the internet for a while I also dont like how political platforms like reddit has become so I want to make sure all political content is restricted or super duper limited. The internet that I grew up with wasnt this political or bombareded with political news and such, I feel like this is really bad for peoples mental health and would like to help them. What are your guys thoughts, what would make a new social network be successful? I have been modding on Reddit for a while and one of the good things the platform has done is that it hasnt turned into Twitter or platforms like Bluesky which everyone is still uncertain about. But reddit also sucks, they had the whole API fiasco and people blacked out there subs. There are still some small subs to this day that are abandoned from that period of time.

smt88 3 days ago

You can't. Your best bet is to joint the fediverse so you can interoperate with existing networks, like Mastodon.

> too much moderation

> rampant bot abuse

You can't solve the bot problem without thorough, labor-intensive moderation. These two of your goals are at odds with each other.

I will also say that almost 100% of the value of reddit is the moderation. After Musk eviscerated Twitter's moderation, it became more of a cesspit and people have been leaving for better-moderated networks.

> I want to make sure all political content is restricted or super duper limited

How are you going to do this without moderation?

What's your definition is political? Is discussing climate change political? What about health care?

If filtering certain topics or moderating a social network were a simple problem, bigger companies (like Meta) would've solved it without armies of human moderators.

Which also begs the question: how would you keep CSAM off your network?

nextn 3 days ago

> You can't solve the bot problem without thorough, labor-intensive moderation.

I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.

pauleibye 16 hours ago

Medium does the inverse of this, but sort of the same idea. Content creators are rewarded money from a pool of subscription revenue based on community involvement. I think rewarding good content is more powerful than some barrier to entry.

asukachikaru 2 days ago

Albeit the effect may very depending on the amount of the fee, I find it hard to imagine fee would stop the bot problem. World of Warcraft requires fee for accessing the most recent expansion, as well as the subscription, but it is swarmed by the bots all the same. IMO as long as there are traffic aka money, there will be bots.

nextn 1 day ago

It's a question of price.

smt88 2 days ago

> I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.

I think this is doable without losing massive numbers of users. You could do it by requiring a small fee to post publicly, but you could post for free to your followers.

BlueSky kind of flirts with this model because you have to pay to get your own domain if you don't want to use theirs.

Quinzel 2 days ago

> I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.

Why would people pay to post? Why do people post in the first place?

nextn 1 day ago

To attach a fee as proof of their belief in the post content being valuable.

setnone 2 days ago

for CSAM part i'm sure AI solution could work

smt88 2 days ago

It's incredibly expensive to do that with flagship models, and many countries have laws that require human intervention for CSAM reports anyway

setnone 2 days ago

Perhaps a naive take but money, resources and even legislative friction are non issues to try to solve such a disturbing humanity-level problem on a global scale. Which platform or entity wouldn't want to invest or otherwise back it up? Meta alone should shower such initiative with money and proccessing capacity. So then OP could just integrate simple API into their new social network.

rsynnott 2 days ago

... So wait, you're suggesting that they simply use a non-existent Facebook product which Facebook will, for reasons unclear, provide to their competitors for free?

setnone 2 days ago

Not necessarily for free, but since this problem has criminal aspect and lasting negative societal impact, i.e. hurt people hurt people, the solution should not be profit-first.

Meta does offer LLama, don't know their reasons, for free, and i only mention them as a largest platform. This not-yet-existent product should be whatever FAANG and governments effort which will save everybody a ton of money.

Edit: some other reasons i mention Meta

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43293004

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32521609

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35726102

k310 2 days ago

Have a goal in mind. A social network is a tool to an end. What is the end?

I have found several use cases all trying to go on at the same time.

1. People with important group communications needing a large audience; i.e. scientists sharing research, organizations needing to contact people, special interest groups like Ham Radio (cuz they can't broadcast on their gear), photographers, musicians and so on.

2. Hot news feeds. These were added not to share news, but to lock people in with echo chamber news.

3. People simply wanting to communicate privately with friends and family and so on.

4. Local information of interest and need. Some is quite urgent, as in evacuation alerts; Some is important, like road closures and events, and some is caustic bullshit as in community gossip and flame wars. And LOCAL advertising can actually be useful and not just the "sports talk radio" carpet-bombing of tax attorneys, divorce lawyers, dick stiffeners, and house flippers.

5. Politics. I find that this is best in affinity groups that are heavily moderated. Trolls and bots gonna troll.

6. Probably more.

The more you address, the more diluted the product.

And the money model?

runjake 2 days ago

I have the same urges.

You need to carefully consider what you truly want and the realities surrounding those desires. How large do you envision this social network becoming? Do you aspire to be the next Reddit, Hacker News, or Lobsters?

Large social networks need to grow to survive, and growth requires funding.

Are you pursuing a commercial venture or a non-profit one?

If it's commercial, you will likely need to seek external investors. They will expect a return on their investment and will exert influence -- often in the form of ad revenue or otherwise increasing costs to your end users. It almost always ends this way, unless you stay a small bootstrapper.

If it's non-profit, you will still need to secure funding through various fundraisers and donations.

It would help to brainstorm (to yourself, at least) what you want to accomplish in lucid detail. This post is not it.

setnone 2 days ago

> dont like how political platforms like reddit has become > I want it to be limited to North America only

I obviously don't know your reasoning but IMO you're already going political