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Mathematics of the daily word game Waffle

37 points by belter 7 hours ago | 12 comments

ChrisArchitect 6 hours ago

Is there a daily NYT word game called Waffle? I don't think so?

Wordle - NYT daily word game. https://www.nytimes.com/games/wordle/index.html

Waffle - some other game. https://wafflegame.net/

ilikepi 6 hours ago

Weird...the NYT is referenced only in the Introduction, and never is it suggested that there is an affiliation between the New York Times and the game Waffle or its creator. They really only reference Wordle to note that Waffle has some very loose similarities, like the fact that they both use letter tiles and both use different colors to hint where those tiles go.

Makes me wonder if the title of the article was generated by an LLM.

EDIT: add context; fix typo

beardyw 4 hours ago

And of course NYT only bought Wordle, so the likeness would be to Wordle, nothing to do with NYT at all.

I like Waffle a lot, and thought about the best strategy for creating the grids, which is probably just a lot of trial and error.

dang 6 hours ago

Hmm strange! Well, we've de-NYT'd the title above.

russellbeattie 5 hours ago

> "This note explores some mathematics associated with the word game Waffle, which has similar rules to Wordle."

I was about to point out the same thing. The title should read "NYT-like."

hackernj 2 hours ago

I just found the following version of the Waffle game: https://wordle-nyt.org/waffle

The host name includes “nyt”, but the web page doesn’t seem to be owned by the New York Times.

oliwary 6 hours ago

Interesting! I think there is a lot of math going on in these kind of games. I have noticed interesting patterns in my game https://videopuzzle.org/ as well.

In daily mode, everyone gets a video scrambled into 4x4 pieces, in the same way, and needs to unscramble it. The operations available to unscramble a video are swapping a tile, and shifting the entire board. The lowest score every day is usually 12-14, but sometimes much lower.

Before I introduced the shifting function, surprisingly, every puzzle could only be solved in an either even or odd number of moves. Some days, all solutions would be 12-14-16 etc, while other days only 13-15-17 were possible. The arrows have changed this, as you can sometimes shave another move off if you use it smartly.

wetmore 6 hours ago

Google even and odd permutations to learn more :)

oliwary 6 hours ago

Ahhh fascinating! :) Thank you for the pointer.

JadeNB 3 hours ago

What a lovely independent discovery! The context is similar to the (un)solvability of the 15 puzzle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_puzzle#Solvability

killingtime74 1 hour ago

Interesting game where you may not know the word but can solve it by using logic regarding the swaps.