105 points by wallflower 3 months ago | 43 comments
mycentstoo 3 months ago
Center: 1200 Getty Center Drive, Los Angeles, CA 90049
Villa: 17985 Pacific Coast Highway, Pacific Palisades, CA 90272
sbuttgereit 3 months ago
"The Getty Center, situated in Brentwood, draws 1.8 million visitors annually and houses hundreds of centuries-old art pieces from renowned artists such as Van Gogh, Rembrandt and Monet.
But even though as of Saturday, the center was included in a mandatory evacuation zone as a result of the Palisades Fire expansion into Brentwood, the center insisted its campus is the "safest place possible" for its massive art collection."
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/heres-how-the-getty...
This news report links the the article posted.
As of my check right now (1/12/25, noon Pacific Time), the Palisades Fire is still only 11% contained, so it's not yet over.
mycentstoo 3 months ago
fmajid 3 months ago
bugglebeetle 3 months ago
WalterBright 3 months ago
mystified5016 3 months ago
You totally showed them
moralestapia 3 months ago
Here, at work, in real life. People just argue with whatever dumb thing they can come up with, for the sake of arguing, it makes them feel smart. It's really hard to have a meaningful conversation with them.
I go to a couple philosophical discussion groups and the occasional town hall meeting. People just can't get their imaginary needs satisfied.
"But that area seems unsafe"
"We could hire a security guard to be around"
"But what if the security guard is a criminal, like in that one episode of muh favorite tv show"
"We could do an extensive background check, work with companies that have a good reputation, ..."
"But what if they make all that up, I saw that in a movie"
And nothing. ever. gets. done.
Btw, I've even seen people get a small round of applause by their peers after making one of such arguments irl. This comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn200lvmTZc.
quasse 3 months ago
MichaelZuo 3 months ago
bugglebeetle 3 months ago
cge 3 months ago
Having heard about wildfire policies for some high-profile institutions in fire-prone areas, they'll often have their own procedures, in coordination with local authorities, which may not involve evacuating when others do, and may involve people coming to the site when others are evacuating.
DiscourseFan 3 months ago
varelse 3 months ago
DidYaWipe 3 months ago
I enjoy the villa at least as much as the main center. It would be a huge loss.
alexwasserman 3 months ago
I found this interesting too - https://www.getty.edu/news/the-hidden-engineering-protecting...
An article about their approach to earthquake protection.
In both cases it looks like they’re leading these sorts of engineering developments.
mxxx 3 months ago
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-cultu...
axlee 3 months ago
DidYaWipe 3 months ago
lambda 3 months ago
Now, they've had days to prepare for this, and apparently have plenty of contingencies in place, but this is still relevant the fire could get there.
KennyBlanken 3 months ago
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0876669,-118.5930521,12z/dat...
It's also relevant because the Getty Center has been rather smug about how awesome their fire protection is.
hn_throwaway_99 3 months ago
I think your "smug" comment is unwarranted. They put a ton of solid engineering thought, money and planning into protecting the center from fire. Nothing is 100% but I think their confidence is warranted.
Related, the Getty Villa right in the middle of the Palisades also put a lot of thought, planning and money into fire prevention, and despite being directly in the path of the Palisades firestorm, no structures on the Villa burned
KennyBlanken 3 months ago
A "stone facade" doesn't stop +1200 degree temperatures, especially when everything on the outside will undergo incredible thermal expansion and at the least open up gaps. Steel expands about 1-2% for just an increase to 100 degrees C. 300C means about 3-4% expansion. And then there's the huge expanses of windows which will shatter or pop out - and even if they don't, the intense IR radiation will by and large go through them.
People don't realize just how insanely hot wildfires get. Go look at the pictures of neighborhoods that have burnt- they're leveled with the exception of some chimneys, steel girders for houses that have them (most these days don't, builders have been using wood-composite beams) iron fences, car bodies. Everything else is burned or melted.
There isn't a building in the world that will stop the megawatts of heat energy per square meter wildfires can generate in IR radiation.
jjulius 3 months ago
Just out of sheer curiosity, I would be tremendously curious to understand what kind of personal/professional background/experience you have that would qualify you to certify their emergency systems as functionally ineffective and their messaging "smug".
hn_throwaway_99 3 months ago
Here is a story about a bunch of people who survived the Camp fire in Paradise, CA, surrounded by the raging inferno, by staying in the middle of a parking lot: https://www.firehouse.com/operations-training/wildland/news/...
PaulDavisThe1st 3 months ago
However, in incidents like e.g. the Fort McMurray fire (Alberta, 2016), this is precisely what happens. One property with a heavy fuel load fanned by strong winds (i.e. plentiful O2 supply) gets hot enough that it causes ignition in a neighboring exposure.
In Ft. McMurray, there were documented cases of an entire 4+ bedroom house being reduced to ash in roughly 5 minutes. The heat generated by that process is easily sufficient to cause ignition in buildings <typical suburban layout> apart.
hn_throwaway_99 3 months ago
Comment I was replying to was talking about IR igniting things by shining through windows, which I believe is mostly bullshit.
hyeonwho4 3 months ago
Cheer2171 3 months ago
marze 3 months ago
Even modest fire hardening would help. If a wood-frame house burns, it is a danger to all nearby houses. Hardening reduces the chain reaction potential.
pwarner 3 months ago
mmooss 3 months ago
weaksauce 3 months ago
mmooss 3 months ago