45 points by type0 3 days ago | 30 comments
boodleboodle 3 days ago
Half of deaths with "unknown causes" is dying from old age. Other factors include SID, etc.
latentsea 3 days ago
This figure is significantly higher compared to the number of deaths among Korean nationals.
rightbyte 2 days ago
lubujackson 3 days ago
That, or they are butchering foreigners and old people over there.
BobaFloutist 2 days ago
To clarify, heart failure and brain death are going to be part of every death, no matter the ultimate cause, but sometimes if it's a little difficult to pinpoint the actual reason someone whose body was failing kind of across the board died, the doctor declaring death will just pick a failed organ that was clearly linked to the death and point the finger at it.
southernplaces7 2 days ago
Not entirely related to the topic at hand, but i want to mention it as a darkly amusing anecdote: During the heyday of the Soviet NKVD's (predecessor to the KGB) management of Stalin's monstrous purge of Soviet society, hundreds of thousands of people were killed in all sorts of ways. Many of them died by torture or just by being shot illegally (even by Stalinist Soviet standards) Since publicly acknowledging this made for bad optics even in the Stalinist USSR, a very common formal, officially recorded cause of death in these cases was "heart failure". Why? Because whether you shoot, starve, freeze or beat and torture someone to death, their ultimate cause of death involves the stopping of their heart. It's crudely honest for the sake of superficial legality, without being in the least bit truly honest about the context of what was happening.
duskwuff 3 days ago
Onavo 3 days ago
boodleboodle 3 days ago
> Most likely the do know the real cause but chose not to release it
NO!!!! we are regular people with regular emotions, too. Stereotypes you see on the internet are often outdated by decades. In this case it was never even true in the first place.
jncfhnb 2 days ago
What is your perspective on what it is?
boodleboodle 2 days ago
jncfhnb 2 days ago
That feels like the most charitable way to interpret people claiming fans are a lethal hazard?
reverendjames 12 hours ago
ProjectArcturis 2 days ago
southernplaces7 2 days ago
I'd definitely not want a doctor with such a belief coming within a mile of treating me for anything.
boodleboodle 2 days ago
krageon 2 days ago
This process really harmed my view of the utility of public discussion of anything. In quality it is about as bad as the average newspaper article. As you are perhaps aware, if the article is about something you know you will realise nearly every article is entirely fabricated. Lots of research papers (at least in the computer science domain) are the same: fabrications that can't be reproduced. Either the algorithm is not published so you can't validate the data or the algorithm is published and the data is just entirely unrelated to it.
Thinking about it, it's kind of a miracle humanity gets anywhere at all. Almost every public resource is aggressively ignorant.
aurareturn 3 days ago
aithrowawaycomm 3 days ago
I believe South Korea (like most industrialized countries) does not offer single-payer health insurance to most foreigners, who either have to purchase it themselves or go without. It seems likely that a large number of foreign residents get sick and never go to a doctor. Without a medical history it's not easy to determine a cause of natural death in an older sick person, even with a good autopsy.
sudosysgen 3 days ago
aithrowawaycomm 2 days ago
red-iron-pine 1 day ago
Don't always need to be permanent. 2 year work visas will often get you covered, caveated with the idea that you're working a job and paying taxes.
many educational visas also cover this, depending on where you're going and where you're from. e.g. Most Europeans in Australia on valid visas have coverage due to reciprocal agreements
sudosysgen 2 days ago
I wrote "taxpaying foreigner" as opposed to "permanent resident" because most industrialized countries do indeed offer their healthcare to non-permanent residents on work visas. For example in Ontario after 90 days you have access to single payer healthcare. In France you get it after 3 months, in Spain after 2-6 months depending on the locality, etc...
potato3732842 3 days ago
narism 3 days ago
https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2024/06/26/IL43VM...
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-10-30/south-...
rcxdude 3 days ago
aaron695 3 days ago
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worstspotgain 3 days ago